Comments on: Ha! This is Perfect! REQUIRED READING (Updated) http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/ A Journal on Recovering from Same Sex Attractions Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:58:04 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: formerlygay http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/#comment-8592 formerlygay Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:53:14 +0000 http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-8592 Yeah, I'm late to the party and I kept feeling like "Where has this guy been?" as if it were HIS problem he hadn't come across MY radar. So whomelse is required reading these days? FG Yeah, I’m late to the party and I kept feeling like “Where has this guy been?” as if it were HIS problem he hadn’t come across MY radar.

So whomelse is required reading these days?

FG

]]> By: Jay http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/#comment-8590 Jay Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:32:27 +0000 http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-8590 You're just now finding Peter Ould? I've been reading him for a while! He's great, but it might just be because he's British. I always do give a little more cred to Brits for some reason... You’re just now finding Peter Ould? I’ve been reading him for a while! He’s great, but it might just be because he’s British. I always do give a little more cred to Brits for some reason…

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]]> By: pam ferguson http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/#comment-8580 pam ferguson Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:59:33 +0000 http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-8580 FYI...Dr. Throckmorton was using the term "post-gay" about 2 years ago. There was a little brainstorming session in an email exchange I was a part of and he was pondering that word at the time. He's used it off and on since then and it's sort of working its way into the mainstream of the dialouge. Just thought you'd want to know. I always appreciate it when someone makes me aware of something like that since misinformation can quickly become rampant around this issue ;). FYI…Dr. Throckmorton was using the term “post-gay” about 2 years ago. There was a little brainstorming session in an email exchange I was a part of and he was pondering that word at the time. He’s used it off and on since then and it’s sort of working its way into the mainstream of the dialouge. Just thought you’d want to know. I always appreciate it when someone makes me aware of something like that since misinformation can quickly become rampant around this issue ;) .

]]> By: formerlygay http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/#comment-8578 formerlygay Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:48:58 +0000 http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-8578 Roy: I think Peter is speaking rather generally about the blogs that are more interested in invectives than serious, reasoned thought about the situation. I read a lot of ex-ex-gay blogs because I want to know what people think who have "failed" ex-gay programs. I can't get through some of the knee-jerk, reactionary writing. That's not to say that there aren't angry, well-reasoned writers out there. They're just so hard to come by on a subject that is such a hot-button issue. I agree with much of your comment. Instantaneous change is completely unreasonable. I know Exodus recently came to the conclusion that moving away from a definitive, instantaneous cure was the right way to go, but I didn't know they'd claimed to have never endorsed it. What? They've never heard of Google cache? Your last paragraph does a beautiful job of summarizing the problem at hand. Glad to see your comments here. Welcome. FormerlyGay Roy:

I think Peter is speaking rather generally about the blogs that are more interested in invectives than serious, reasoned thought about the situation. I read a lot of ex-ex-gay blogs because I want to know what people think who have “failed” ex-gay programs. I can’t get through some of the knee-jerk, reactionary writing. That’s not to say that there aren’t angry, well-reasoned writers out there. They’re just so hard to come by on a subject that is such a hot-button issue.

I agree with much of your comment. Instantaneous change is completely unreasonable. I know Exodus recently came to the conclusion that moving away from a definitive, instantaneous cure was the right way to go, but I didn’t know they’d claimed to have never endorsed it. What? They’ve never heard of Google cache?

Your last paragraph does a beautiful job of summarizing the problem at hand.

Glad to see your comments here. Welcome.

FormerlyGay

]]> By: Roy http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/ha-this-is-perfect-required-reading/#comment-8577 Roy Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:42:52 +0000 http://formerlygay.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-8577 "While some of that drop-out is embittered and angered other parts of it are intelligent and articulate..." Because it's impossible to be angry & intelligent? One interesting fact I have observed within the ex-gay movement is the double-speak and outright fraud perpetrated by many of the organizations. When speaking to the secular press reps from Exodus will claim they've never purported absolute healing, that the journey away from SSA is a life long process. However, while speaking to evangelical Christian crowds that story changes dramatically to one of instantaneous change to people who surrender themselves to Jesus. Isn't it possible to bring our sexual orientation into a position of emotional maturity where we can abandon the extremes of surrendering ourselves to debauchery or taking a position of denial? “While some of that drop-out is embittered and angered other parts of it are intelligent and articulate…”

Because it’s impossible to be angry & intelligent?

One interesting fact I have observed within the ex-gay movement is the double-speak and outright fraud perpetrated by many of the organizations. When speaking to the secular press reps from Exodus will claim they’ve never purported absolute healing, that the journey away from SSA is a life long process. However, while speaking to evangelical Christian crowds that story changes dramatically to one of instantaneous change to people who surrender themselves to Jesus.

Isn’t it possible to bring our sexual orientation into a position of emotional maturity where we can abandon the extremes of surrendering ourselves to debauchery or taking a position of denial?

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